WMSB Response: Should W&M Move on from Laycock and Shaver?

We hear it all the time. During games, on message boards, and from opposing fans — when will we ever move on from our two head coaches? Football has never won a National Championship under Jimmy Laycock, and basketball has never qualified for the NCAA Tournament under Tony Shaver. In professional sports, it’s typical to place an inordinate amount of blame on the Head Coach when things go south, usually unjustly so. They are the first to go when the team underperforms, and are typically scape goats following fan uproar amidst a dismal season. However, we argue that collegiate sports is, and should be, a different animal.

Below is an exchange we had via Facebook with an educated Tribe fan who offered some valid, logical points and concerns on the matter. The exchange led to some productive dialogue that we think is worth sharing to the rest of the Green and Gold community. What are your thoughts? Roll Tribe Roll.

Tribe Fan/Loyal Blog Follower: Just wanted to get your honest thoughts on the status of Tribe football and basketball. I️ follow every game as best I️ can and it’s been painful to watch this year to say the least. Winless in the CAA and we haven’t scored more than 18 points in conference play [regarding football]… in Laycock’s tenure we haven’t even made a National Championship game even though numerous CAA teams have made the trip, and won. Do you think it’s time to move on from Laycock? Similarly, the same can be said of Tribe basketball who I️ feel like are on the same track as football this year [at the time this was written, W&M was 0-1 after a poor showing vs. High Point, falling 66-100 in the season opener]. The High Point game was suppose to be close and it was a blowout. We lost two big stars [to graduation], lost two others to transfers, and still haven’t won a conference title which in a league of 10 teams is kind of embarrassing. So I’ll ask the same: do you think Shaver is to blame? Like I️ said, I️ love reading your guys’ posts, I️ find them incredibly insightful especially since there isn’t a lot of information out there for these two teams. You two would know best, so I’m curious to get your opinion if time to start getting tough on two coaches who seem to have cozy, safe positions! Thanks!

W&M Sports Blog: I definitely hear you on Laycock and Shaver; we hear that a lot. But while we think that yes, they need to step up their games, no, they should not be fired.

You have to remember that W&M is first and foremost an academic school. Everything else is completely secondary to that. The goal of Tribe athletics is, yes, to win. But equally important is the recruitment and development of student athletes. To this end, W&M has incredibly high standards for our athletes, just barely lowering academic standards for their admission (as I’m sure you’ve had several classes with Tribe athletes; you know how smart they can be. Especially relative to other schools).

And with that inherent handicap on both Laycock and Shaver, the two coaches’ success has actually been somewhat of a miracle. Laycock is a surefire first ballot college hall of famer who has cranked out a national semifinal appearance, multiple CAA Championships, and most importantly — several dozen outstanding graduates: Buffalo Bills Head Coach Sean McDermott, Pittsburgh Steelers Head Coach Mike Tomlin, longtime NFLer Mike Leach, and several, several more. One might wonder why W&M (a “tiny academic school”) has so many coaches excelling at the highest levels (don’t forget Atlanta Falcons Head Coach Dan Quinn was also a Tribe football coach, and the U.S. Women’s soccer Head Coach is also a Tribe grad, Jill Ellis (2015 World Cup Champion) — just another example of a former W&M athlete doing it big) — but when you look at what W&M emphasizes: uncompromising on ethics and academics for its student athletes, it’s no surprise the amount of post grad success our athletes have achieved.

I’d also argue the same for Coach Shaver. We’ve been to the CAA Championship four times in the last ten seasons (almost half the time over the last ten years). I’d argue also that we’ve been incredibly unlucky in those championship games, which amount to one game crapshoots.

In terms of recent success with individual basketball players, the program has produced multiple players receiving professional looks, with guys playing in Europe, and Marcus Thornton and Daniel Dixon getting big-time NBA looks. We’ve also had multiple players go on to coach at the college level (Sean Sheldon at Michigan State and Julian Boatner at Mount St. Mary’s, both currently Assistant Coaches).

This year, we were going to have another great shot at the CAA crown — but the transfer of two big time players (Jack Whitman and Greg Malinowski) has hurt us. Despite that, at the time of this post, the Tribe is sitting pretty at 6-3, following an incredible 5-1 run, with the team’s only loss to Ohio State. There is certainly hope for this season. You may have also recently seen Coach Shaver come back with a huge recruiting class for next year. You should definitely check it out if you haven’t already.
My
te point is that, yes, we want Tribe Athletics to win. We want it as bad as you do, if not more. But at the end of the day, we go to a school that has its priorities straight. The two coaches we have at the top are high quality guys who recruit the highest caliber of student athlete we can possibly get. Sure, we could make our teams better by severely lowering academic standards (as I’d argue most other schools do), but that’s not what will make our school better in the long run. In the end, it’s incredible that Laycock and Shaver have even been able to do what they have done given stringent recruiting standards. And we can’t think of anyone more deserving of an FCS National Championship (Laycock) or NCAA Tournament bid (Shaver); they’ve earned it, and in them we trust.

Tribe Fan/Loyal Blog Follower: I️ appreciate your take! I️ think you put it well when you liken the two coaches to having a handicap placed on them. I️ also agree that it’s incredible we don’t lower our academic standards and we recruit high quality student athletes. To lower those standards especially at our smaller school would be a detriment in my opinion. It’s good to know that two people closer to the teams speak so highly of the two coaches. As a casual fan I️ definitely don’t get that kind of insight. I️ see two coaches who get close, and for lack of a better word, “choke.” I️ would argue 0-4 in championship games would get you fired on most professional teams or even most powerhouse colleges. But this is not the pros and I’m sure there’s more to the job to that we don’t see (recruitment, academics, boosters, etc). So thank you for giving me a little reassurance, I️ just want to see a championship team ASAP, like you guys do, and I️ want the best people in charge to make that happen! I’ll have to look in to the new recruiting class for basketball. Hope to see you at some games this season!

W&M Sports Blog: Yeah man — Roll Tribe!

9 thoughts on “WMSB Response: Should W&M Move on from Laycock and Shaver?

    1. There is a huge problem at William and Mary. Most money is given to the sports that suck. All the fancy facilities, equipment and even special treatment is towards football and basketball, but if we are honest with ourselves, this is due to poor recruiting and coaching. It is also the new Athletic Director, Samantha Huge. She just wants publicity. I don’t know what was going through her head when she signed off on our horrible football team to go play Stanford. We can’t even win games against teams like stony brook university. There is so much wrong with the leadership of this university.

  1. Thank you for your coverage and insights into the Tribe. I’m somewhat new to the area, rely on W&M for my local college sports fix, and am still learning the history and culture of Tribe Athletics. I understand the old AD was here for a long time and recently retired. How do you see the new AD impacting the programs? Do you see any difference in her approach or philosophy compared to the former AD?

    Eric

    1. Not sure yet on how Samantha Huge will change the actual philosophy (which will always remain focused on the development of STUDENT ATHLETES), but at the very least she’s brought a new fire and energy to the program — as well as a renewed focus on fan experience and winning. This was obvious when she helped us set up a road football game against Stanford (happening sometime within the next few years). We like her so far, and have had no complaints!

  2. Speaking as a big Tribe Basketball fan, I see the kind of kid Tony and his staff recruit and the fine young adults that graduate from W&M under his coaching and tutlelage. Tony has managed to produce very good, competitive basketball teams and fine young men. He’s my coach all the way.

  3. There is a huge problem at William and Mary. Most money is given to the sports that suck. All the fancy facilities, equipment and even special treatment is towards football and basketball, but if we are honest with ourselves, this is due to poor recruiting and coaching. It is also the new Athletic Director, Samantha Huge. She just wants publicity. I don’t know what was going through her head when she signed off on our horrible football team to go play Stanford. We can’t even win games against teams like stony brook university. There is so much wrong with the leadership of this university.

  4. Having a grandson who was recruited by over 10 schools to play football, it is pleasing to me for him to commit to The Tribe. He will sign on 12/20/17 & it is because of not only the football coaches but also the uncompromising commitment to academics.
    All the coaches he encountered were as high on the academics area as they were on Tribe Football.
    This school gets it right!

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